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i tot malay goverment is going back to ancient period

are ppl these day so weak and flagile that they still need the GOD to save them from natural disaster? Human beings just need god to save them from themselves! Human is the most twisted and wicked living creature EVER! wow, i can be serious too lol!

I have a lot of friends in Thailand, that like to visit KL. They love the guys there. Meet them on the internet and meet in a hotel. They keep it discrete. I don't like to hide, so I have not gone yet.

Spas are often raided in Malaysia. In fact, I recall someone telling me that they're at least raided once a year. That being said, I wonder if this is truly an LGBT issue. The thing with the Royal Malaysian Police is that they do not act without provocation. In the case of raids, it's either by public complaint or early surveillance. Plus, this massage parlor and fitness center sounds dodgy, doesn't it? Passwords and CCTVs? Why the need for such things? Those two, in any case, raises suspicion. If the Malaysian community truly expects laws to change and a change of mindsets in the authorities, then they should truly stop being so damned 'cloak-and-dagger'ish about being gay. You're gay, you frequent clubs, spas, massage parlors etc. You're not the frickin Illuminati.

So here we have a group of men who are part of the same sex attracted gender community minding their own business, seemingly with appropriate sexual health and safety materials and know how, concerned to protect each other and the wider community being arrested and possibly charged with offences, maybe losing jobs and the taxes that working people provide, so that the legislators can win votes on a moral legislature that leads to brain drain when such people move to safer countries permanently. This behaviour is natural for them, They have tried to do it safely for the sake of the community and the community is being punished by the moral police whose concerns for the community they have sworn to protect are now placed at risk of serious and potentially damaging social consequences. Well this Police squad should be congratulated for finding 37 but they need to know they missed another 2,599,963 who are still closeted and hiding out there although some hundreds have already left Malaysia

i read all of this comment...some of the comment so funny... "black list" malaysia...dun wan come malaysia...dun wan do business in malaysia...jz bcoz of the gay topic thy dun wan do watever things in malaysia...mayb the ppl who write all this "dun wan",travel around the world just looking for sex...or the ppl who is so-called as stupid business men "dun wan to do business in malaysia" jz wan hav sex only on his mind not focusing on work 100%...hahaha... i love malaysia..its such a beautiful country...im hotelier and most of foreigner love to come to malaysia coz malaysia is peaceful n charm. so we dun even care for few stupid foreigner if thy dun wan come to malaysia...we not going to loose anythg...jz thy will loose the nice experience exploring malaysia... im agree with some other comment... yup if u wan hav sex jz bring ur partner home or go to the hotel...more comfortable..if u plan to hav sex party jz organise at ur house lo... why wan go at public place...

Gosh, guess i better behave while i am back here for CNY....what a bummer. Not that i go to this kinda of establishment at all but is just one of the many reason why we penang boy flee the country to find a better place to be gay...

wow... all 3 guys are very sexy and gorgeous!

Hmmmmmm Somehow i have a nagging suspicion that election is coming and ridiculous non-news such as these will diffuse the other more 'critical' issues. From now on, i think we will hear more and more of these raids/police harrassments cases. heck, its happening in SG as well, and look what's around the corner. Grand Election . . . .

Good lord, don't the police there have anything better to do? With all the violent crime around they have to target the sex trade? What a waste of time and money. No wonder crime all over thwe world is so high they are only worried about who is fucking who.... Usually this bullshit is started by politicians who couldn't get laid if they had $100 dollar bills sticking out of their ears. What nonsense!

I would say M'sia and singapore probably shares the same fate, when it comes to LGBT rights. That is, it takes to precedence from other likewise countries. (for SG, so much for being wanting to be No.1 in everything, bleh). For M'sia, we need to see other predominantly Muslim country adopt a more accepting approach to LGBT rights for Msia to follow suit. (that's is almost impossible, come to think of it). So, in a nutshell its not a reality we can hope to see in our lifetime for both countries. Sad!

I have had the privilege of attending a few Les Peches events and, as the article indeed says, it is always packed to the rafters with fabulous queer women. Here in HK, I do miss the gay/lesbian brother/sisterhood of my home town of Sydney, but it is pioneers like Betty & Abby that make me not miss home so much. Thank you!! Hats off to Les Peches, Betty & Abby and to many more wonderful years ahead!

Honesty is definitely one of my own family's values, particularly when it comes to being honest to yourself. And trust me, being gay in a conservative Muslim family and being out about it? Truly meaningful and liberating. I see family values as what exactly you share with one another you consider a part of your family. Not just your nuclear family, but your extended family as well i.e friends, boyfriends, girlfriends, etc. What do you share with them. Love? Hate? Joy? Fear? Truths? Lies? The value of a family, personally, is the value you choose to trust those you consider family members.

A full-witted, local and legitimate, light in the dark swirl here... wow! :) there's hope..... ...and I really do hope this week's Chinese New Year celebrations will be peaceful and normal for ALL Malaysian Catholics - and Christians - including LGBTs, and for all of Malaysia, east and west, our closest neighbour geographically. ...and i would like to wish all Chinese here a double dose of happiness in the coming year.. :) visitors to Singapore from east and west, can catch the usual, literal "light-up" in Chinatown, of course, perhaps over a kahlua.. i have to say i'm really grateful to be living here, where they only check homes for, er, heterosexual mosquitoes, but i don't think anyone or anything has really been quite "normal" since the enemy sent an SMS to Eve in the garden of Eden.. :P Let's light up, folks, and lighten up! Kong Hee Fatt Choy!

A full-witted, local and legitimate, light in the dark swirl here... wow! :) there's hope..... ...and I really do hope this week's Chinese New Year celebrations will be peaceful and normal for ALL Malaysian Catholics, including LGBTs, and for all of Malaysia, east and west, our closest neighbour geographically. ...and i would like to wish all Chinese here a double dose of happiness in the coming year.. :) visitors to Singapore from east and west, can catch the usual, literal "light-up" in Chinatown, of course, perhaps over a kahlua.. i have to say i'm really grateful to be living here, where they only check homes for, er, heterosexual mosquitoes, but i don't think anyone or anything has really been quite "normal" since the enemy sent an SMS to Eve in the garden of Eden.. :P Let's light up, folks, and lighten up! Kong Hee Fatt Choy!

Beside its Muslim Monarchy, Islam is written into Malaysia's Constitution as the nation's faith. As in all constitutional monarchies, the Monarch has the legal right to reject any Bill. And that's 2 steps ahead, that is, even after Step #1-- a Bill to repeal 377 has been passed in Parliament--has been achieved, the Monarch may still exercise his discretion to not sign it into law. Now, some may ask whether the Monarchy itself could be removed? But that's 3 steps ahead, and would take a significant majority vote. Hence, the legal constraints in Malaysia are formidable. I don't see any ray of hope of 377 being repealed there soon. Singapore, on the other hand, doesn't have 2 of the 3 above-mentioned obstacles, namely, Islam as national faith and Muslim Monarchy. As such its government has less constraints in regards to conformity of policies to any faith. Its authoritarian government may make decisions and implement policies based on solely pragmatic considerations, and usually efficiently and facilely. Consequently, I predict that 377a may be repealed in Singapore within this decade. Of course, the progress would depend very much on how the gay activists present their case to both the government and the society. We have seen how they failed in their first mission to petition for the repeal, but there're many lessons that could be drawn from that chapter. Without these 2 additional obstacles, thus, the wall in Singapore is certainly less thick. Both China, HK and Taiwan had decriminalised gay sex. The problems there aren't so much to do with the legality, but with stigma. We must diagnose the problem and work accordingly. So what should and could be done in Malaysia to promote gay rights? Gay societies certainly cannot be registered. Most gays don't even dare to come out publicly, having seen the Anwar drama. So we can't even expect them to reach a critical mass in open gay activism. Can they demonstrate? Even if the police don't charge them with ISA, the public, would become even angrier. Look at the recent violence in Malaysia. Even borrowing of 'Allah' cannot be tolerated, not to mention public challenge to Islamic doctrine by gays. Gays in Malaysia must be tired of living if they dare to openly challenge this institution. So, demonstration and open activism are out. So, what could they do? As I argued, gays in Malaysia should respect that the majority in Malaysia are Muslims. There is no need to public challenge their doctrine. Just make a quiet exit to the South. Even Singapore is much more tolerant. Even better, if they could, then go further. Australia, HK, New Zealand, UK, etc. are much more liberal than both Singapore and Malaysia. Most Malaysians are privileged to be taught English in school. This is a very important advantage. If gays in Malaysia stretch a little, most could expect to obtain an SPM Cert (GCE O-Level equivalent award) or even a degree at a private college that offers recognised degrees from the UK, Australia or the US. With such qualifications, many doors are open to them. In conclusion, the most pragmatic form of activism in Malaysia should not be loud demonstration that challenges the Islamic faith openly, but should be programmes offered by the more financially and academically endowed within the community to help the less endowed obtain a set of marketable skills to enable the latter to seek opportunities overseas, should the latter wish to.

So many wars, killings, pogroms, witch hunts, tortures, jihads, crusades, book burnings, bombings, kidnappings, stonings, burnings, brandings and beheadings committed in the name of religion. Everyone thinks their version of god is the only true one ...and time & time again they have killed for it. Despite the billions of dollars put into keping it alive, people are finally abandoning the hateful world of medieval superstition…but how many more lives must be wrecked before we are free of its influence?

This is great. We need to discuss all the issues more often instead of letting the rightwing fundies get away with all these motherhood statements. "we are pro-family", "gay marriage hurts heterosexual families", "allowing gay marriage will lead to social decay", "gay people will influence our kids"...etc and stupid condeming motherhood statements like that. We need to engage and ask them in their face, "what does your family value?" "how does it hurt hetrerosexual marriage when it means gay people want to stay together in a stable family unit?", "social decay in what sense, how?"... Ask them and see them stutter. Push them and let them see, they do not make any sense and it is all self-righteous religious prejudice and fear.

I don't buy the theory that men are wired to spread their seeds. I know gay men and women who have been in monogamous relationships for 23, 25 and 29 years even. I feel that gays and lesbians define marriage differently because it is denied to them. When something is denied and we have to create our own version of it, we work at it from scratch and come up with our own versions of it. Heterosexuals, because of the institutional markers and boundaries that have been set up over the years, feel a deeper complusion for monogamy. But obviously, that doesn't work. If it does, then divorce will not need to be invented. It isn't a new issue. From ancient times, men and women have always had relationships outside of their marriages, only back then, they were stoned for it. Now, we have divorces and swing parties. Society has merely developed alternative strategies. It has nothing to do with gay men or women and it is merely stereotyping to use the gay community to say, so many of them do not value monogamy. Joy Behar may have been a supporter, but that does not mean she is not homophobic or that she understands the prejudice that the homosexual community is subjected to. Our same sex relationships is more diverse and more varied than the heterosexual compulsory monogamy because we are more honest, more open and have thought through it alot more before we get into a relationship. Every choice for ONS, for monogamy, for marriage is thought through and considered more carefully because it has been denied to us. That means, if we are int ONS, that is what we will pursue; versus some straight person who does it on the sly and cruise on the side. We are more open and honest about it.

yves Noted your reference to 'stonewall' is more to act of revolution rather than reference to style of revolution. Fair enough. I cant say for what will happen in malaysia, but perhaps in SG its easier to predict (with great hope). In general the local population are rather indifferent to the LGBT rights until its thrust into their face recently by the christian rights group. Therefore, i hope it would run it's course like in China or Taiwan (peacefully). Back to the 'against the order of nature'. You are correct to point that its not a pure christian invention. But its application is widely use by Christian both old and new. However Islam and Christian shared the same judeo-abrahamic tradition (ie old testament which is fundamentally jewish in origin). So its from the same yeast that produce the current batch of bread. To question the new testament stand, one should question the gospel of St Paul itself. I have read in Alternet, that St Paul gospel do not directly reflect jesus christ teaching because Paul was not witness to any of Jesus’s utterances, except in his self-proclaimed discussion with a light from heaven. Jefferson, as documented in The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, called Paul the “first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus. So what do they have left to condemn us with? Old Testament which not even the most righteous + religious person can still abide to (let alone judge other people with).